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Germaican Observer: The last I saw you, the last time before the last time, you had dreadlocks and know you don't, what's happening with that?
Tanya Stephens: I changed my hairstyle.

G.O.: Did you just get up one morning and decide…
T.S.: I didn't become a rastafarian, I was just wearing dreadlocks and so I changed my hairstyle… yuh nuh some people do that like once a week they go to hairdresser and they get a new style and dem cut the back inna flip. I had dreadlocks and then I didn't.

G.O.: When you went back to Jamaica after being away for so long, what was the response to your dreadlocks and to you like?
T.S.: Well, I was overwhelmed by the response because people were just being so happy to see me, I had no idea that I was this loved. The general feedback was like there is no women and the women don't do anything and when they do anything it's not much worth mentioning so "happy to have you back and you're socking it to the men and you're standing up with the best of them, welcome back."

G.O.: Was the Dancehall scene different after being away for more than 2 years?
T.S.: Well surprisingly it should have been more different than it was, but it didn't even seem like I had left for a day… it was like I had been in a timewarp, same old, same old.

G.O.: So when you say that it should have been different, what changes were you expecting?
T.S.: I would have expected us to progress somewhat but we didn't, we didn't at all… it was the same, sloppy, I get a riddim and I take 5 minutes and I 'fling' something on it and it's the same old corny lyrics, the same old bun batty man and the same old bun bow cat… the same old things just being recycled time and time again, so it just felt like I had never left, I just fit back into the swing of things.

G.O.: After seeing all of that when you went back and seeing what's been happening to Sean Paul and Wayne Wonder on the international scene how does that make you feel?
T.S.: Funny thing is I wouldn't use Sean Paul's or Wayne Wonder's success as a mark as to what Dancehall on a whole can do… because Dancehall never really embrace Sean Paul, especially in the Jamaican Dancehall they never embraced him, now everybody is saying "Sean Paul, Sean Paul" but he never had any support before, so that was somebody making it against all odds. So that is not significant of what Jamaica can do, because Jamaica didn't do that, that was the rest of the world embracing one of our own. Everybody else loved him first and the typical Jamaican industry people thought he was too uptown and he's not a real deejay.

G.O.: Speaking of that, when Beenie Man won his Grammy award Bounty Killer was on his case and now that Sean Paul is on top Bounty is doing the same and he also did the same thing with Shaggy
T.S.: Well that is typically Jamaican artists, I think what is happening with Sean Paul overall and Wayne Wonder is extremely amusing… amusing because a lot of people who didn't think that they were worth the time of day is now beginning to get on dem 'dicks,' me find it just simply amusing. The biggest problem with Jamaica is that 'we keep flogging dead horses' people who time and time again we keep biggin dem up as the biggest, the greatest, the most talented prove to be not and we keep on a push dem up front… at the end of the day it no matter what me think of dem, when dem go out to the people is wah di people dem want and most times di people dem want something that's good.
Our industry have 2 kind a people, one set weh people want to love and another set weh work and earn di people dem love and what di industry want is not usually somebody weh talented… so I think the best thing they ever did for Sean Paul was never to rate him up and is a good youth and him still humble and him a show dem that him can sell millions without being hype and without having to be all of what they are.. and he's one main thing that they are not, and that is talented and that is the only thing that count.

G.O.: You and Ce'cile were good friends and that friendship is now over, what happened?
S.: Not everybody has the capacity to move from poverty to regular flow of meals and be able to deal with it, not everybody has the capacity to deal with that. Some peoples best personality come out when they are hungry, as soon as they are fed they get all stupid… I can't think of anything that Tanya Stephens is doing different now than she was doing years ago, but I'm gonna always be somebody who supports upcoming people who I see need help, I'm gonna always write lyrics for people who are less fortunate and don't write so good because I'm blessed and I can … and that is not to be cocky, it's just a fact, I do that and I don't see no reason why that shoulda change.

G.O.: What happened to the album that should have been released with Warner Sweden?
T.S.: We released it in Sweden and then we fell apart creatively, maybe a year ago I would have been knocking dem silly but it was a learning experience for me and I did benefit somewhat from it… maybe not financially because mi no earn nothing through dem which I wasn't earning through Dancehall already, which they probably will never understand.
I have learned to be closer to mastering my profession, in terms of the people that I work with technically, the hands on people who actually do the work, not the record company people who feel like dem more than they really are… but the actual musicians and producers, I gained a wealth of knowledge from them.
I don't think I ever was a hyped person but I learned a lot more humility from them, because they are actually people who are good at what they do.. unlike some of us in Jamaica who from wi learn fi play the one C note and A minor wi never ever learn fi do nothing different, but I was actually working with people who do know music inside out and who are good at it and who are creative and it was such a comfortable atmosphere working with them.
Looking back now if I could do anything different I don't think I would.

G.O.: You are probably out of Jamaica the most recorded Dancehall Artist here in Germany who did you enjoy with?
T.S.: Oh God, I don't really have to think hard to tell you that I enjoyed working with everybody, unlike the Jamaican attitude, of course you know the Germans have a more gentle disposition so we don't have much clashes of personality… because then it's about work and not about anybody trying to be the star of the session. I really only had pleasant working experiences and I don't have to be hypocritical to say that, it was all good.

G.O.: When you write songs like "Goggle" and "It's a Pity" are these things that you experienced or do you write about things that you see happen around you and tell me the truth now?
T.S.: Hear what, mek mi tell you the truth some of them I have lived, some of them other people around me have lived and I won't specify which is which. I don't talk bout nothing that I don't know about, but I will not say which of them is my personal experience.

G.O.: "It's a Pity", the song produced by Pionear on Seeed's rhythm has been getting only good responses, no. 1 in Trinidad and in Atlanta and now being played in New York, what's the response been in Jamaica and how do you feel about the song?
T.S.: In the Caribbean (outside of Jamaica) the people are much more objective, not because a Tanya Stephens song becomes a quicker hit there but because I realise that they actually do listen to the lyrics and the composition… as opposed to Jamaica who will work with 'name artists' even though these artists can't sell more than 5 copies.
The response on that song I'm really feeling very greatful for not because mi get one more hit song but because of the content of it and the time that was put into the concept and recording of it… it's really nice to do something good and see it being appreciated, as opposed to just 'fling' on something pan a riddim and everybody say "yeah, a big tune dat."
It's just starting to take off in Jamaica now and this is something that I have given to countless people in Jamaica and for some reason or another, maybe because dem neva recognise the label name and the riddim… yuh know down here is so political, it's not even musical anymore and yuh know the people on the street is a whole different 'kettle of fish' because when dem hear a hit song dem can judge it fi a good song, but dem neva get a chance fi hear the song… but now that they are getting a chance to hear the feedback on the street is like everybody who heard it remember the song and I'm happy for the feedback because everybody who heard it tell me she dem love it… and the outcome of a song varies from producer to producer and he (Pionear) stressed me out to do that one thing 40 times, God bless his heart.

G.O.: "It's a Pity" is one of the songs on the "Reggae Gold" compilation from VP Records, is this the first time that you are featured on the compilation?
T.S.: To be honest with you, I don't think I know "Reggae Gold" different from any other of VP's collections, to me that's all they do, put out collections… I've been on so many of their collections and don't even know weh dem name, it's all the same no statement comes back to me.

G.O.: Is it true that you are signed to VP Records and is an album in the making?
T.S.: I'm not signed to VP, I would never do that at all… I would license an album to them which I haven't done yet, they are not a record company, they are a distribution company so I would license an album to them for distribution.
Mi have an album coming out soon because I'm in the mixing stages of the one that I'm working on now… I know it may sound incredible because sometimes artists say this when nothing naw gwaan fi dem but right now is not a time when people can say that nothing naw gwaan fi Tanya Stephens so mi think mi can say this with some credibility that I'm really not urgently trying to find a
deal… I just come out of one too recent that go sour and fi me is like a marriage ending and I don't want get married back too quick, if somebody come up with all the right ingredients that I think will suggest that we will have a different experience then yes.

G.O.: So the album that's gonna come out soon is an independent album?
T.S.: I in collaboration with my partner Andrew Henton, I'm producing it and it's still 'up for grabs' and I don't feel like I'm under pressure to come out with an album at any particular time… right now I feel like what I'm doing with singles is proving my worth and proving my capability and because of what I'm now proving I feel like I don't need to rush and do anything at all and I'm not even nearly out of songs… I'm writing everyday and what is surprising people now is something that I do effortlessly, so I don't think that I need to get up now and start bargaining and try fi scrape a dollar fi buy a new 'deportee' car from Japan, mi nice still.

G.O.: Talking about that, how do you earn your money because here in Germany the artists earn their money mostly from record sales and I know that isn't so in Jamaica.
T.S.: Shows and some people earn dem money from dubplates and mi caan bother wid that because to me it cheapens me, cause I won't be 'bleaching' out at no dub studio… I can't say that I am depending on shows, cause (I'm not doing many, but)I don't have no big lifestyle so I can live offa my likkle stash still. Mi do shows and I do recordings and because of the lack of accountability in terms of sales yuh have fi definitely charge an advance fi voice fi dem because that might be the last time yuh ever see them.

G.O.: Has the attitude towards female artists changed?
T.S.: Most of the complaints that women have I don't have, I no longer even place myself in the category of women I'm just an artist… I find that the women tend to complain and they have so much self pity so instead of earning respect from dem peers all dem get is just pity… instead of investing dem time in songs and new material, dem invest dem time inna complaining how bad dem have
it, if you really have talent your work will speak for itself.
I refuse to be categorised as female in this time when female is such a damn stigmatised word and the women make it so because dem beg so much damn sympathy.

Germaican Observer: Well, thank you Tanya and hoping to see you perform soon in Germany.
Tanya Stephens: You're welcome and I just might be.

Nadine Reid/ G.O. Leipzig

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